NEW YORK (AP) — The U.S. economy is sending some worrying signals about a possible recession, yet the stock market has gone on a what-me-worry ride toward record heights.
Put simply, while the stock market watches the economy, the two don't always move in lockstep. If investors see that companies are still bringing in profits, and stocks don't appear too expensive, they'll risk an investment even if the economy hasn't gotten an all-clear on the recession watch.
This week, the S&P 500 and Dow Jones Industrial Average climbed back to within 1% of their record highs set in July. A big reason is the recent easing of tensions in the U.S.-China trade war ahead of talks scheduled for next month, potentially diminishing the threat to the profits of U.S. companies. In addition, the Federal Reserve is expected to again cut interest rates. Lower rates make bonds less attractive investments and can, in turn, make investors more willing to sink their money into stocks.
Encouraging data on shopping trends and the job market also buoyed investors' mood.
Still, there is plenty to be concerned about. Investors know tensions in the trade war can easily escalate up again with another presidential tweet storm, as they painfully saw last month when stocks tumbled nearly 6%. Manufacturing is still weak worldwide. And the bond market has sent a signal that has been a fairly good predictor of recessions in the past.
Wall Street isn't exactly ignoring those signals — there's a fierce debate among analysts over whether a recession is coming to end what's become the longest U.S. economic expansion on record.
But history shows that stocks can keep rising until a few months before a recession officially starts, as they did until October 2007, two months before the Great Recession swamped the economy — and the stock market.
"The recessionary signals are still flashing yellow at this point," said Emily Roland, co-chief investment strategist at John Hancock Investment Management. She pointed in particular to how three-month interest rates for Treasury bonds are still higher than for 10-year Treasurys, a relatively rare occurrence that has preceded past recessions.
Roland talks often with financial advisers who manage money for clients, and the advisers are generally still optimistic about markets going higher. Their clients, though, are typically much more negative.
S&P 500 index funds have returned more than 20% this year, and the largest bond mutual fund has returned nearly 8% — yet many of those clients think they've lost money this year, Roland said.
The clients can be forgiven for the confusion, given how volatile the market has been over the last year. After diving nearly 20% in late 2018, the S&P 500 charged out to its best start to a year in decades, only to jerk down, up, down and back up again since May as worries about the trade war intensified.
Economists generally are forecasting slower growth ahead, but few are calling for an outright recession, which would be the first since the 2007-09 Great Recession.
On the encouraging side for the economy is the continued growth in the job market. Employers continue to hire workers, though the pace has been slowing, and wages are rising. That means more shoppers have money to spend. The latest sign of that came from a report Friday that showed U.S. retail sales rose moderately last month, boosted by brisk sales of cars and SUVs.
But clouding the outlook is President Donald Trump's trade war. It has already helped cause the first monthly contraction in U.S. manufacturing in three years. The larger fear is that all the uncertainty about trade will push businesses and households to get more cautious and pull back on their spending.
That could lead to lower profits for companies, triggering a downward cycle where businesses pull back on hiring, which in turn causes yet more cutbacks in spending.